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by Paul Jahn

A long time ago search marketing was mainly a vehicle for small
businesses to compete with the big boys. For the many Fortune 500
companies that now outsource at least some sort of search marketing,
presenting results whether it’s through analytics, lead generation, or
sales can be tricky yet still highly effective.

When working with smaller clients, often the company’s one or two contacts are also the decision makers. You can build a relationship with them, recommendations made are often implemented quicker, and you can present results directly to them.

For Fortune companies, it can be a different story. They have more processes, contacts are often marketing directors or managers and they need to prove results to their respective bosses who ultimately approve the budgets. It’s important to show value to both.

One thing in common these groups have is they are smart and know how to delegate niches such as search marketing. Sometimes the difference is the amount of info they need.

Presenting or showing results in Excel is pretty common and a good example. They’re both easily imported from different analytics and pay-per-click campaigns.

Excel is obviously powerful, but the complexities can be overwhelming for anyone looking at a specialized report for the first time. The nice part is the ability to take a complex spreadsheet and create very easy-to-read charts with trend lines from them. Including charts like these within a Word document can provide the trusted information that large company decision-makers seek.

Again, these large company decision-makers are smart. They don’t always want the details as they have other things on their plate. They want to see results and delegate as needed.

This isn’t to discount the complex spreadsheets. They can (and should) be presented as well and can serve as incredible tools for marketing managers and directors who want to dig into them and ask questions, and they do. They deserve that opportunity.

Communication is very important as well. Having the ability to physically present documents and results is preferable, although not always possible.

In whichever format, providing both easy-to-read and complex reporting results can only be beneficial. It provides clients the information they need plus the ability to definitively measure success.

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by Paul Jahn

A long time ago search marketing was mainly a vehicle for small
businesses to compete with the big boys. For the many Fortune 500
companies that now outsource at least some sort of search marketing,
presenting results whether it’s through analytics, lead generation, or
sales can be tricky yet still highly effective.

When working with smaller clients, often the company’s one or two contacts are also the decision makers. You can build a relationship with them, recommendations made are often implemented quicker, and you can present results directly to them.

For Fortune companies, it can be a different story. They have more processes, contacts are often marketing directors or managers and they need to prove results to their respective bosses who ultimately approve the budgets. It’s important to show value to both.

One thing in common these groups have is they are smart and know how to delegate niches such as search marketing. Sometimes the difference is the amount of info they need.

Presenting or showing results in Excel is pretty common and a good example. They’re both easily imported from different analytics and pay-per-click campaigns.

Excel is obviously powerful, but the complexities can be overwhelming for anyone looking at a specialized report for the first time. The nice part is the ability to take a complex spreadsheet and create very easy-to-read charts with trend lines from them. Including charts like these within a Word document can provide the trusted information that large company decision-makers seek.

Again, these large company decision-makers are smart. They don’t always want the details as they have other things on their plate. They want to see results and delegate as needed.

This isn’t to discount the complex spreadsheets. They can (and should) be presented as well and can serve as incredible tools for marketing managers and directors who want to dig into them and ask questions, and they do. They deserve that opportunity.

Communication is very important as well. Having the ability to physically present documents and results is preferable, although not always possible.

In whichever format, providing both easy-to-read and complex reporting results can only be beneficial. It provides clients the information they need plus the ability to definitively measure success.

Learn something from this post?
Come and experience Search Engine Guide style teaching in person! Join us for our first ever Small Business Marketing Unleashed Conference in Houston, Texas on April 21st and 22nd.

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Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.

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Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.

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Below is what happened in search today, as reported on
Search Engine Land and from other
places across the web.

From Search Engine Land:


  • SES NY Day Four Coverage Recap

    Search Engine Strategies day four, the last day, is now officially over. The live bloggers should have put down their ‘pens’ by now, so I thought I share the final day’s live blogger sessions. Before doing so, I wanted to personally thank all the live bloggers from aimClear Blog, Alt…

  • Search Biz: New York Privacy Law May Set National Precedent; AOL Worth Half Of Yahoo? & Surprise, Google Still #1

    A privacy law taking shape in the New York legislature will make it a crime for internet companies to use personal information about consumers for advertising without their consent. And because of the generally boundaryless nature of the internet, it would effectively set a national precedent for companies collecting…

  • Branding Coming To Search In A Big Way

    Search has historically been seen as a direct response vehicle and the notion that search is a branding medium has traditionally been met with considerable skepticism by search marketers, albeit somewhat less recently. In an effort to be provocative in moderating the “branding and search” panel at SMX West last…

  • Yahoo Graphical/Video Search Ads Named Partner Results

    Last night I heard a commercial for Honda, where it told the audience to go to Yahoo and search for “shop honda.” I, being an obedient TV viewer, did as instructed and searched for shop honda and saw this ad:…

  • Add Videos To Your Google Local Business Profile

    Stephen Espinosa notes that you can now add videos to your Google Local Business Center profile. Before hand, to get a video to show up in your profile, you had to somewhat get lucky. Now, you can add them manually. This is a great way to add customer video testimonials,…

  • Ten Strategies For Avoiding Search Marketing Burnout

    Search marketing is the ultimate seductress. It lures you in with the promise of an interesting, exciting career that can actually pay the bills, but soon you’re regularly pulling 12 hour days with no vacations. There’s intense pressure to achieve high search rankings and triple digit ROIs to keep…

  • Being Off-Topic, Off-Message, Or Off-Brand Can Be Good For Your SEO!

    Ok, perhaps I’m being a bit provocative here, but sometimes it’s the off-topic, off-message, or off-brand content that earns you the most valuable links—links that you wouldn’t have otherwise gotten. Those links can really pay the bills, in terms of the extra search traffic and resulting sales. The brand…

  • Can EveryZing Automate Video SEO?

    EveryZing (formerly named Podzinger) is a Boston based company that has announced a suite of products for video search, EveryZing’s ezSearch product lets media companies offer their users a single integrated search box for audio, video, images, and text. Once ezSearch has blended results into a unified database, the…

Search News From Around The Web:

Business Issues

Local, Maps & Mobile

Link Building

Paid Search & Contextual

SEM Industry

SEO & SEM

Social Media

Video, Music & Image Search

Web Analytics

Other Items

Recent Hot Items From Sphinn, Our Social News Sharing Site:

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Below is what happened in search today, as reported on
Search Engine Land and from other
places across the web.

From Search Engine Land:


  • SES NY Day Four Coverage Recap

    Search Engine Strategies day four, the last day, is now officially over. The live bloggers should have put down their ‘pens’ by now, so I thought I share the final day’s live blogger sessions. Before doing so, I wanted to personally thank all the live bloggers from aimClear Blog, Alt…

  • Search Biz: New York Privacy Law May Set National Precedent; AOL Worth Half Of Yahoo? & Surprise, Google Still #1

    A privacy law taking shape in the New York legislature will make it a crime for internet companies to use personal information about consumers for advertising without their consent. And because of the generally boundaryless nature of the internet, it would effectively set a national precedent for companies collecting…

  • Branding Coming To Search In A Big Way

    Search has historically been seen as a direct response vehicle and the notion that search is a branding medium has traditionally been met with considerable skepticism by search marketers, albeit somewhat less recently. In an effort to be provocative in moderating the “branding and search” panel at SMX West last…

  • Yahoo Graphical/Video Search Ads Named Partner Results

    Last night I heard a commercial for Honda, where it told the audience to go to Yahoo and search for “shop honda.” I, being an obedient TV viewer, did as instructed and searched for shop honda and saw this ad:…

  • Add Videos To Your Google Local Business Profile

    Stephen Espinosa notes that you can now add videos to your Google Local Business Center profile. Before hand, to get a video to show up in your profile, you had to somewhat get lucky. Now, you can add them manually. This is a great way to add customer video testimonials,…

  • Ten Strategies For Avoiding Search Marketing Burnout

    Search marketing is the ultimate seductress. It lures you in with the promise of an interesting, exciting career that can actually pay the bills, but soon you’re regularly pulling 12 hour days with no vacations. There’s intense pressure to achieve high search rankings and triple digit ROIs to keep…

  • Being Off-Topic, Off-Message, Or Off-Brand Can Be Good For Your SEO!

    Ok, perhaps I’m being a bit provocative here, but sometimes it’s the off-topic, off-message, or off-brand content that earns you the most valuable links—links that you wouldn’t have otherwise gotten. Those links can really pay the bills, in terms of the extra search traffic and resulting sales. The brand…

  • Can EveryZing Automate Video SEO?

    EveryZing (formerly named Podzinger) is a Boston based company that has announced a suite of products for video search, EveryZing’s ezSearch product lets media companies offer their users a single integrated search box for audio, video, images, and text. Once ezSearch has blended results into a unified database, the…

Search News From Around The Web:

Business Issues

Local, Maps & Mobile

Link Building

Paid Search & Contextual

SEM Industry

SEO & SEM

Social Media

Video, Music & Image Search

Web Analytics

Other Items

Recent Hot Items From Sphinn, Our Social News Sharing Site:

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Search Engine Strategies day four, the last day, is now officially over. The live bloggers should have put down their ‘pens’ by now, so I thought I share the final day’s live blogger sessions.

Before doing so, I wanted to personally thank all the live bloggers from aimClear Blog, Alt Search Engines, Andrew R H Girdwood, Bruce Clay Blog, Online Marketing Blog, Search Engine Journal Search Engine Roundtable, Search Marketing Gurus, and Search Marketing Standard. I cannot name each specific blogger, but the industry thanks you! Also a huge thank you to Internet Marketers of New York for holding a charity event for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Search Engine Land and Best of the Web sponsored the event and we were able to raise over $16,000. If you want to contribute go to their donation page and make a not that it is on behalf of the IM-NY charity party.

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Search Biz - A Column From Search Engine Land
A privacy law taking shape in the New York legislature will make it a crime for internet companies to use personal information about consumers for advertising without their consent. And because of the generally boundaryless nature of the internet, it would effectively set a national precedent for companies collecting data about internet use.

The New York Times says that if the law is passed, computer users could request that companies like Google, Yahoo, AOL and Microsoft, which routinely keep track of searches and surfing conducted on their own properties, not follow them around.

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SES NYIt is weird writing a conference recap while sitting in my office but that is where I am. Like most New York conferences, I commute back and forth - so no flying for me (thankfully). In any event, the Search Engine Strategies New York show is now over.

It was the first big show that Danny Sullivan did not run, so yes, it did kind of feel like it was missing something, at least from my perspective. There were a lot of different things taking place for the first time, like several keynotes instead of one and these Orion panels. So SES did not feel like an old SES. Not sure yet if that is a good or bad thing.

The Internet Marketers of New York held a charity even Wednesday night for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, sponsored by Best of the Web and Search Engine Land. The event pulled together over $16,000 for the charity! I know many of those reading this now were unable to make it to SES NY. But I strongly recommend you pitch in and represent the SEM community by donating to the charity. I would make a note that you are from the IM-NY event, this way we represent the SEMs!

I would like to thank our volunteer contributors who possibly burned the rubber off their keyboards covering the sessions for all those who were unable to attend. It is amazing how hard they work (I know, since I did several sessions myself) to get this live blog coverage up for you. Here is a list of the volunteers that are due our appreciation and thanks (feel free to comment thanking them). A huge thank you to Tamar Weinberg, Chris Boggs of Brulant, Debra Mastaler of Alliance Link and of Link Spiel Jeff Quipp of Search Engine People, Marshall Sponder of The Analytics Guru, Bill Hartzer and to Avi & Sheara Wilensky of Promedia Corp. Thank you all so much for helping with the coverage.

Here are the sessions we covered:
March 17, 2008

March 18, 2008

March 19. 2008

March 20, 2008

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3 Speakers
Kendall Allen, Managing Director, Incognito Digital
Mike Moran, Distinguished Engineer, IBM
Nell Thompson, Director of Education, Media Arts Full Sail

Allen’s Presentation:
Talent Considerations:
1. what’s your organization
2. role
3. values and flaws - 6 profiles
4. the drivers of talent

1. What’s your Org?
Staffinf up = reviewing and hiring an agency indiependant, building out an agency or client side group, or simply marketing your next killer hire.

2. What Role?
Someone for sales, technical, production, senior management, etc.

3. 6 Profiles she has identified in search:

a. Polly Pedantic
- seems to talk down to people
- doesn’t collaborate well with the team
- strategic mindset … but ends there. She gets outgrown as she does’t keep up

b. Hamish
- data centric
- obsessed with stats, lulls, spikes
- fails to give campaign enough time to perform
- must frequently regroup after false starts

c. Leonard:
- able planner
- has it down to a repeat formula
- uses all the latest methods and tricks of the trade
- views search as an accountable media
-

d. Dirk the Dilettante
- hangs out with gurus
- wants to be rich
- admires those
- goes to all parties, but doesn’t remember his clients
- stays junior and doesn’t really jump in
- never really becomes an expert

e. Trina and Tools Addict
- obsessed with training, especailly offsite
- constantly researching and testing
- doesn’t really understand the tools though
- prides herself on knowledge of new tools

f. Real Deal Ronnie (want to hire)
- broader internet perspective
- dealth with both branding and performance
- distinguishing between strategy and methos
- knows how to plans
- knows how to run tools
- talks to you as a natural collaborator
- he’s thoughtful, and engaging

4 Drivers of Talent:
#1 Roots
- early on role in SEO, SEM industry
- broader understanding of media

#2 Intelligence:
- ability to synthesize strategy and methos
- current point of view
- understand client intent

#3 Ethics
- consistent dedication to full equation

#4 Style
- curiosity and tirelessnes
- obviously smart
-client focus
- telltale spark in the eye

Moran
Wants to help you find the good people Allen discussed.

Need to focus on identifying skills needed, and how to find those people. Focus of this discussion.

Things to think about:
1. will you use an agency or in-house
- some things best done in-house
- page indexing
- optimizing content
- others best by agency
- diagnosing problems

How to Chose an Agency?
Do you need an agency to help train your team?

How to Spot the Spammer Agency/Person:
- look like you are trying to hire someone full of tricks and blackhat knowledge
- they will then tell you what they know
- those ethical companies will try to talk you out of it.

How to get inhouse talent:
- hire people with requisite skills but without the background (too expensive, and too likely to leave), and have the agency help you train them
- people with a statistic background such as librarians, translators, linguists, etc.
- Need folks who can understand the numbers
- and folks that are great with words/writing
So don’t overlook people you’ve already got inhouse. They already know the company culture, the business, the people.

Thompson:
An Educator’s Perspective:

Challenges of Acquiring Talent:
- colleges and universities and just beginning to deal with topic
- no standardization in academic approaches
- MBA and marketing degrees do not cover specific internet marketing topics
- 2 areas that need to be addressed:
- IT considerations
- web design principles
- Every company has a different approach

Challenges to the educators:
- mixed messages on hard skills
- an abundant wish list of soft skills
- wants fresh perspectives
- wants everything or wants total conformity

Specific Hard Skills Needed:
- strong writing skills … writing is very important
- fundamental understanding of web design - important for many aspects of search
- intorduction to web interface and usability
- basic IT understanding
- internet business models
- internet law and legal issues
- web metrics and marketing math

Soft Skills Needed:
- world perspectives and cultural studies (its a small world)
- internet consumer psychology
- social media intuitiveness
- viral marketing understanding
- emotional intelligence
- self awareness
- self management
- relationship management

For the Student (potential future employee):
- look for opportunities that provide a balance between marketing and the web
- double major to gt writing, technical, and analytics skills

For the Employers:
- conduct ‘think tanks’ at colleges and universities
- contact career outreach depeartments at colleges
- join advisory boards and give input to curriculum

Jeff Quipp is President of Search Engine People Inc. a Toronto SEO, SEM, SMM firm.

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Thursday morning SES New York keynote address by Andrew Tomkins, Chief Scientist, Yahoo! Search

Mike Grehan has called him the smartest man in search today!

Where does Yahoo see search going? Will be the subject of much discussion today.

Eg of a search … looking to book a vacation to Tuscany.

Start searching …. need hotel, car, flight, etc. Go on trip. Enjoyed it immensely. Now I want to find that amazing coffee I drank in Tuscany. Try to find it online. Ah … need a special coffee maker. Find it online, buy it.
As you can see … the process can go on for quite a long time.

Trends in Task Complexity:
Dawn of search:
a. navigation of queries
b. pockets of information

Long Running User Goals:
Search as a hub:
- start here
- return for resource discovery and define task boundaries
- traverse the web broadly to complete task
- web services integrated into search
Summary, search will more about hard core productivity.

Content Growth:
- published content 3-4 GB created per day
- professional web content ~ 2 GB created per day
- user generated content 8-10 GB created per day
- private text content ~ 3 TB (300x more) created per day
- upper bound on types content ~700 TB (200x more again) created per day
Only a small fraction of content is being indexed, and even that is growing exponentially.

Growth of Metadata (amount of metadata produced per day):
- anchor Text - 100 MB
- tags 40 MB
- pageviews 180 GB
- reviews ~ 10 MB

Content ownership:
- content consumption is fragementing - nobody owns more than 10% of www page views
- no single place will own all the content
- best of breed processing will operate on the web
- value transitions to ecosystem

Content Consumption is Fragmenting Across Users:
Yahoo peformed a study showing different age groups’ search patterns are often defined by stage of life (eg. teenagers search for cars).

The Search Interface:
Challenging for search engines, because content is becoming more rich and complex. Content is being published by many more publishers than ever before.

What Does This Mean for Search?
- few changes through 2005
- entering preiod of massive change to handle more complex content
- rich media, aggregation, simple task analysis
- moving beyond the stateless query/response paradigm (understanding tasks)
- personalization theory

Rich Media and Search Assistance:
Understanding what people want when looking at rich media … probabalistic search results.

The dataweb needs a killer app!

What has Yahoo announced? Search as the killer app
- publishers and search engines collaborate!

Search Results of the future:
The amalgamation of lots of content (inclusing reviews, pictures, etc.) called abstracts. Numerous deep links, possibly statistics, rich content, reviews, general information from different publishers (eg. Yelp) in addition to specific companies. Expect the look and feel of search results to change substantially.

Comprehensive Support
much more coordination with web publishers (eg. yelp) to show more than one opinion and source of data. Some such formats:
- microformats
- hcard
-more as they get adopted
- RDFa and eRDF markup
- Open Search
- Atom/RSS Feeds

Yahoo announcing support for a different vocabulary to help publishers communicate their information to search engines.

What Does This Mean for Publishers?:
- Yahoo! open search platform does not modify ranking
- richer abstracts may provide more information to users and draw higher quality/quantity of clicks
- we want rich abstracts (results) that give users a better experience
- we don’t want misleading abstracts
This is likely to be based to a large extent on trust.

Different classes of abstracts:
Yahoo looking to put together a gallery of abstract formats, that you as a user can select among to see. None of these are proprietary, but are out there for all to get on board with.

The Whole Story - summary:
- user needs becoming more complex
- content growing, changing, diversifying, fragmenting
- search responding by increases in sophistication
- value migrating to ecosystem
- unlock the value by enabling interoperability - expose semantics

Jeff Quipp is President of Search Engine People Inc. a Toronto SEO, SEM, SMM firm.

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Thursday morning SES New York keynote address by Andrew Tomkins, Chief Scientist, Yahoo! Search

Mike Grehan has called him the smartest man in search today!

Where does Yahoo see search going? Will be the subject of much discussion today.

Eg of a search … looking to book a vacation to Tuscany.

Start searching …. need hotel, car, flight, etc. Go on trip. Enjoyed it immensely. Now I want to find that amazing coffee I drank in Tuscany. Try to find it online. Ah … need a special coffee maker. Find it online, buy it.
As you can see … the process can go on for quite a long time.

Trends in Task Complexity:
Dawn of search:
a. navigation of queries
b. pockets of information

Long Running User Goals:
Search as a hub:
- start here
- return for resource discovery and define task boundaries
- traverse the web broadly to complete task
- web services integrated into search
Summary, search will more about hard core productivity.

Content Growth:
- published content 3-4 GB created per day
- professional web content ~ 2 GB created per day
- user generated content 8-10 GB created per day
- private text content ~ 3 TB (300x more) created per day
- upper bound on types content ~700 TB (200x more again) created per day
Only a small fraction of content is being indexed, and even that is growing exponentially.

Growth of Metadata (amount of metadata produced per day):
- anchor Text - 100 MB
- tags 40 MB
- pageviews 180 GB
- reviews ~ 10 MB

Content ownership:
- content consumption is fragementing - nobody owns more than 10% of www page views
- no single place will own all the content
- best of breed processing will operate on the web
- value transitions to ecosystem

Content Consumption is Fragmenting Across Users:
Yahoo peformed a study showing different age groups’ search patterns are often defined by stage of life (eg. teenagers search for cars).

The Search Interface:
Challenging for search engines, because content is becoming more rich and complex. Content is being published by many more publishers than ever before.

What Does This Mean for Search?
- few changes through 2005
- entering preiod of massive change to handle more complex content
- rich media, aggregation, simple task analysis
- moving beyond the stateless query/response paradigm (understanding tasks)
- personalization theory

Rich Media and Search Assistance:
Understanding what people want when looking at rich media … probabalistic search results.

The dataweb needs a killer app!

What has Yahoo announced? Search as the killer app
- publishers and search engines collaborate!

Search Results of the future:
The amalgamation of lots of content (inclusing reviews, pictures, etc.) called abstracts. Numerous deep links, possibly statistics, rich content, reviews, general information from different publishers (eg. Yelp) in addition to specific companies. Expect the look and feel of search results to change substantially.

Comprehensive Support
much more coordination with web publishers (eg. yelp) to show more than one opinion and source of data. Some such formats:
- microformats
- hcard
-more as they get adopted
- RDFa and eRDF markup
- Open Search
- Atom/RSS Feeds

Yahoo announcing support for a different vocabulary to help publishers communicate their information to search engines.

What Does This Mean for Publishers?:
- Yahoo! open search platform does not modify ranking
- richer abstracts may provide more information to users and draw higher quality/quantity of clicks
- we want rich abstracts (results) that give users a better experience
- we don’t want misleading abstracts
This is likely to be based to a large extent on trust.

Different classes of abstracts:
Yahoo looking to put together a gallery of abstract formats, that you as a user can select among to see. None of these are proprietary, but are out there for all to get on board with.

The Whole Story - summary:
- user needs becoming more complex
- content growing, changing, diversifying, fragmenting
- search responding by increases in sophistication
- value migrating to ecosystem
- unlock the value by enabling interoperability - expose semantics

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Search has historically be utilized by direct response marketers, and the notion that search is a branding medium has been met with considerable skepticism, albeit somewhat less recently. In an effort to be provocative in moderating the “branding and search” panel at SMX West last month I said, “Search is much more a branding medium than anything else.”

When I asked how many people agreed in the audience only a few hands went up. James Lamberti of comScore then presented evidence to argue that search was in fact a powerful branding medium because of its reach, how it’s used by consumers in early stages of purchase behavior, the brand and generic category keywords used in queries, and so on.

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With the inclusion of audio results in the main search pages, search marketers must